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UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

To: UNH Community
From: Whitney Williams

RE: Online Journal created by UNH student Kenneth Gagnon, wherein specific faculty, students, and minor children are targeted with sexual violence.
Note: enclosed are a selection of quotes, dating 2003-2005, of an online publication which has since been taken off-line.
April 21, 2005

Dear UNH Community:

After having an opportunity to meet with several college educators and parents of UNH students, as well as parents of young children, I feel compelled at their urging to share the following information.

Since September 2004 I have been the recipient of abusive and threatening emails. My response was to initiate a community dialogue on what I deem sexual harassment.

However, in light of information I have discovered recently, herein enclosed, it came to my attention that I was no longer dealing with a case of sexual harassment. The situation now rises to the explicit threat of sexual violence against educators, parents with young children, and women students in the UNH community.

Please know that I have notified the UNH administration, UNH Police, Durham Police, FBI, and local and regional media.

Sincerely:

Whitney Williams


Quotes from Kenneth Gagnon's Online Blog (all currently now off-line)
www.livejournal.com/users/kengagnon/

January 6, 2004
Crow left of the MURDAH
"And who knows. Maybe someday I'll kill a lot of people, and you can all be character witnesses at what promises to be the most fun criminal trial in history. If they admit this stuff as evidence, it'll almost be worth the near-constant raping I'll be receiving in prison afterwards. Maybe I should just go kill someone right now. Yeah."

March 9, 2005
Ain't Dat a Bitch
"I had my midterm exam in retardville extravaganza that is my 519 class today, and one fo the first questions on the short answer portion was the following (it may or may not have been written in my professor's shit. That being said, the text has not been altered. I swear.):
"Read the pdoem and offer up to four (4) points of interpretations. Include literary devices." So, I calmly read that, scribbled an answer, finished the rest of the test, and strolled up to my professor, who sat at her desk with a smile so complacent and utterly vacant that even a cow would say, "CHRIST, you're so dull."
Ken's Professor: Oh, Ken, are you done with the exam?
Ken: *silently hands exam over*
Ken's Professor: Excellent, well have a great brea-
Ken: *thrusts penis through her eye socket*
One of the first things you learn when you come to college is that sometimes, when an idiot is in charge of your English class, there's nothing that can be done about that besides a penis to her goddamn brain. And rest assured, if I impale people's brains with my dick for a living, I would goddamn drop everything right now and do it. Sorry, friends and family, but I have a motherfucking CALLING."

November 7, 2004
Headbanging, baby.
"Whitney Williams is unquestionably my favorite target of personal hatred, though. She writes consistently about how insanely unfair it is that men control everything in the world and get away with raping women and things of that nature. And, sadly enough, while I do agree that women don't have it the way they probably should, I also have a penis, and am thus inclined to defend my unfair position of power. I'd fucking rape the face of Whitney Williams and deny her a job just because she's got a vagina if I could. I wouldn't do this because I hate women. I'd do this because I hate Whitney.

This is the fundamental thing she can't seem to get; the people who write into the newspaper week after week to criticize the stuff she writers don't hate females in general. They hate Whitney because she's annoying and speaks for people she has no right to pretend she voices the concerns of. Yes, violence towards women, sexual assault, and inequality in the workplace are all issues worthy of discussion, but not by someone who's a fucking tool. Fuck you, Whitney."

March 24, 2005
IMPRESSIVE TITLE
"Hey, everyone, and welcome back to the livejournal of Kenneth Gagnon, the only publication on the internet that's endorsed by the federal government as appropriate source material for both literature and sex ed classes for youngsters all over the nation. As such, I'm going to be spending the next few months traveling the world and teaching out of the "The Ken Gagnon Has Sex With Kids Reproductive Guide." I don't know about you, but when I was a kid, I certainly could've used a little more quality sexual education like the kind my journal could provide to 1st graders in this country.

Ken: Okay, kids, now let's go over the material one more time. Now, Tommy, what's the safest form of sex?
Tommy: Anal?
Ken: *rubs eyes* For the millionth time, Tommy, no. You're close, but the rest of the class could probably tell you that it's not really safe until you pull out at the last second and bust your load of man-juice on that bitch's face, now couldn't they?
Tommy: I'm sorry, Mr. Gagnon.
Ken: If you were really sorry, Tommy, you'd be having more anonymous unprotected anal sex.
Tommy: Please stop touching me, Mr. Gagnon.

And contrary to popular belief, I'm not spending all my time slithering my way into quality time with impressionable kids who don't have nearly enough muscle mass to defend themselves from sudden attack by a trusted authority figure; I've been keeping a close journalistic eye on the goings-on in the entertainment world. Now, if you'll allow me to cease with jokes about how small and useless the flap of skin I call my penis is (because they are just jokes, I swear. I have a massive, pulsating beast in my shorts and it's hungry for vaginas constantly. I swear)..."

November 20, 2003
New Developments Which Aren't Actually New At All
"What I'm saying is that I sort of wish I had caused more trouble, and since I didn't, I'm going to have to find a topic for whatever I do next that is extra offensive to everyone. Is there any way I could get away with writing a detailed plan for kidnapping and raping a college girl? The Hell with that. Is there any way I could get away with actually kidnapping and raping a college girl? Not that I would."

"I feel bad about wanting high school girls, for the first time in my life. I watched them up there wiggling and dancing around and actually shifted around in my seat a little bit. I know they're all fuckin' hot little girls, and by all rights I should be having some sort of cheesy porn fantasy in which I saunter to their apartment door to fix their cable or something, but all I felt like doing was taking them all back to their houses and maybe making them tea and helping them with their homework. This raises an important question... If it comes down to a situation where sex with a high school girl is imminent, then I will very calmly do several dozen body shots off of the aforementioned woman and feel much better."

September 18, 2004
THIS FIRE IS OUT OF CONTROL GONNA BURN THIS CITY BUUURN THIS CITY
"The single most incredible potential development at my new job with UNH's Media Relations Department became clear to me during a talk I had with Erika Mantz, a news editor who seems to be perfectly nice, genuine and cool, which is quite unfortunate, because I don't think she has any idea that she recently hired a wanted sex offender."

March 8, 2004
I'm going to leave you. I'm going to leave yooooouuuu.
"Hi kids, and welcome back to the livejournal of Kenneth Gagnon. This little piece of semi-annual writing remains the only publication on the internet that consistently leaves you covered in more bodily fluids than a slip n' slide party in the sex offender wing of a maximum security prison. Plus, the members of my staff will even provide you with a towel afterwards to clean off some of the semen and the blood and the drool, which is a much better option than the forced
anal sex the prison would provide"

"And when I say stretch, I obviously don't mean stretch in the sense of a vagina during childbirth. I mean stretch in the sense of a two year old's vagina during the birth of three elephants. Simultaneously. That's fucking stretching."

"Instead, I'll be shoving my balls into the face of my new girlfriend Kristen while she's asleep."

"Don't be shocked by how easy it is for me to commit to killing the girl I've fallen in love with; it's in the interest of the common good.....So I'd like to say once more that I'm very much in love with my girlfriend, but I will not hesitate to kill her in the interest of my state's safety. It's like if she was a zombie. I'd sure still wanna have sex with her (perhaps even more so. Zombies are sexy and aggressive), but I'd have to shoot her in the face with a sawed-off shotgun to be safe. It's just how things go."

June 12, 2004
SAME AS IT EVER WAS.
"Oftentimes a the very moment I see a woman, semen will explode out of my pant legs, sending me flying upwards like a fucking Rocketeer."

"Now in any other time of my life, I would meet the arrival of five attractive and likely intoxicated girls with my penis, exposed and clutched in my hands, so painfully erect that blood spurts out of my ass every few seconds to relieve pressure. Unfortunately, these days I have a SINGLE woman I'm interested in regularly boning, so when Lilly, Shush, Koren, Becca, and Kristen (Hahn) arrived, the only thing I was interested in using my erect penis for was stabbing the lot of them in the face."

October 5, 2003
What am I doing? Shouldn't I be out prowling the campus, like Laura said?
"I have a Politics and Society class that brings me tantalizingly close to taking a razor blade to both my eyes. The professor has this way of talking (which he does for an hour and a half every class) which is infuriating, I can't quite explain what it is about the rhythm of his speech that makes me want to kill him...."

January 1, 2004
You should be careful what you wish FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!
"I could look at it like I'm acquiring quite an extensive library of useful books, but then again, I could also look at it like I'm acquiring an extensive collection of flammable material to set ablaze and toss through the Dean's window."

April 13, 2004
WAAA-AAAAHH-OOWWW!
"And while normally I would giggle at the idea of someone's brain bleeding, this is starting to annoy me."

"I like to think I can handle hearing dirty words on television and in music without automatically wanting to murder babies or something; I am, after all, essentially grown up now."

"Classics 400-something or other--Greek Civilization: I took this just so I could sit and stare at the brilliance of my professor, Steve Trzaskoma. I know his name, but we're nowhere near a first name basis. The only sort of first name basis we'll likely ever be on is when he reports the name of the student stalker he's been enduring for the last few weeks to the police."

"I've always generally been interested in Russia; however, this interest has transformed into a general interest in popping the eyes out of my two professors and then seeing if my penis will fit into their faces anywhere."

September 16, 2003
College life is the life of living life that you love to live.
"Here's to taking advantage of sorority girls!"

October 10, 2003
It just keeps coming
"Hello again, everyone. Welcome once again to the live journal of Kenneth Gagnon, the only place on the internet that will welcome with open arms both you, your children, and your basement dwelling immigrant workers. We'll even welcome the children you've likely produced with said workers, provided that you bring the saran wrap for us to spread over all of our important office furniture. We have a commitment to family here at the live journal; this means, of course, that if one of my staff members doesn't do what I tell them, I get to kill one of their family members. I don't keep an ice pick around for nothing, you know."

"Ken: *grabbing a little girl around the neck* LOOK AT ME! PUT YOUR COLD, DEAD EYES ON ME AND SHOW SOME FEELING, BITCH! DON'T YOU HAVE A SOUL?"

"Don't overuse the dead hooker routine. Eventually the authorities will get curious and actually start DIGGING out near the Vegas railroad. And we don't want that, do we? No, no we don't."

December 7, 2003
Numba Fifty, baby.
"UNH Administrator: I know! Let's NOT give them a place to park! The more inexperienced bad drivers out there, the better!
Ken: *cocks shotgun* Wrong answer. "

"I feel like I should be doing some retrospective on how far I've come. How much I've changed as a person. How many gullible women I've tricked into bed by telling them they're the only one for me. How many times I've used the word "fucking" in the history of my journal."

September 4, 2004
I thought she was eighteen! She said she was old enough...
"That's right, kids, I'm back at the University of New Hampshire for another semester. This means that I get to stare from afar at a whole new, unsuspecting, defenseless class of Freshmen college girls..."

"And thought it would be cool to take a sawed-off shotgun to the undead faces of every freshmen in my dorm, it'd be much more satisfying to get my kill on inside Holloway Commons....The dining hall just isn't meant to do deal with it. It's like trying to force a sorority girl with only three orifices to handle more than three penises."
 
 
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George Bush of chauvenists

...no subtlety whatsoever.

I read your article after seeing this in an old friend's away message (she goes to UNH and to my knowledge someone somehow alters her away messages/profile):

"basically what my night came down to is sucking BIG FAT FUCKING COCK..... and i love every bit of it in my ass after i'm done sucking him dry"

Stuff like this makes it seem almost comical that people at UNH refuse to talk about the fact that their rape culture is thriving on the chauvenistic equivalent of Miracle Grow. Then again...maybe Ken's and others refusal to even bow to the subtlety of good taste pushes the obvious destructiveness of their ways even further underneath the assumptions and insecurities of the campus/our culture. After all, if you put yourself off as not afraid of being "politically incorrect" then the average superficial onlooker is going to believe you've been victimized by someone trying to "restrict" you to "political correctness" (he was just being himself!) If not because they're incapable of seeing the abuse inherent in chauvenistic postering then because they themselves are afraid to question their own complicity (either as enablers or perpetrators). This is called DENIAL. And it's pretty strong, if not unbreakable from without (and capable of co-opting any torment from within).

Not only as a man, but as a member of our culture, I've used this strategy of abdicating responsibility for my own words and actions by taking advantage of others' insecurities and identification with our culture.

"I was only kidding! (you're down, right?)"

-----

Throw the book at him Whitney.
Maybe this will discourage the other casual Joe Chauvenists from "spouting off" assuming full protection from the state (if not from the culture).

Though I have a feeling this will not make much of a difference except to bring the abusiveness to a deeper level of privacy. After all, the state wasn't designed to modify the culture of domination (it shares the same roots) but only to mask and transform its symptoms.
But hey, it's a start. And someone has to have the balls/ovaries to get things started. Luckily, the world has you.

As a man you humble me and as a human you inspire me.
 

on second thought

Perhaps I shouldn't be worried about the effects of prosecuting/scaring Ken on the rape-culture and chauvenism at large...

Our culture is clearly unwilling to make Ken responsible for his actions of its own accord, so it's going to take someone who recognizes this abuse to hold him accountable.

As a real - not abstracted, general - instance of abuse this should trump any strategic attack against the culture at large. Or should it? This is not rhetorical, I am actually unsure.

Any thoughts/feelings?
 

Re: on second thought

I don't think it's either/or. We can find some justice for Ken specifically and show the culture at large that there are people that won't tolerate this shit. It's good to have a local hook that isn't just an abstract attack against a culture or an institution like patriarchy. Not that these aren't worth fighting, in fact, people like Ken are exactly the front we should be fighting on. Who else is going to do it?
 

Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

Whitney, I like what you've done at UNH to raise awareness of violence against women. Out-of-control patriarchy in the US is the root of many other problems too, notably our national penchant for making war. If you see this connection too and would like to talk about it, e-mail me at cal_ewing (at) yahoo.com. thanks Cal
 

Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

Ken Gagnon. I've known him most of my life. Yes. He's tasteless. More tasteless than any person I've ever known. His sense of humor crosses the line. He has said some awful things. Things that probably shouldn't have been said. Ken is not a rapist. Ken is not abusive, physically or otherwise, nor does he ever intend to enter the dining hall with a sawed off shot gun and oblitorate the UNH student body. Perhaps, it is only because I know him that I know this. Perhaps that is why I find it so thoroughly unfair that instead of bringing issues directly to Kenny, they were thrown to the public as a warning to fear and loathe a harmless man. I understand your contempt for him. I appreciate your concern and your anger. I am sad to see a talent like his forced out of classes, fired from his job and ostricized from an entire community because of hurt feelings.
Ken makes very bad jokes. I am a woman. Sometimes I am offended. I tell him. He apologizes.
Ken Gagnon has a soul. I hope, through all of this, you do not forget that one thing.
 

The response to Ken's livejournal is ridiculous

Taking Ken's journal literally you can believe he is a rapist and murderer. Taking Ken literally you also believe that when he sees a woman Ken's massive ejaculations cause him to fly.

Ken wrote with sarcasm. It's painfully obvious. Whitney Williams is blowing this up out of proportion. What Ken wrote in his Livejournal may have been tasteless and juvenile, but so is painting Ken as a rapist and tattling to the authorities to get them to shut Ken up and to get attention.
 

Re: Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

BZZZzzzzZZZzzzzzz... nope!

Ken Gagnon has not been forced out of his classes because of "hurt feelings." He's been given the boot, as well he should, because women feel threatened. And not just because he threatens women at large, but because HE MADE SPECIFIC THREATS AGAINST INDIVIDUALS. Do you think his English professor should tolerate him in her class after he said he wanted to thrust his penis through her eye? Every student, faculty, and staff member on the UNH campus has a right to participate in that community without working with someone who threatens people this way.

Ken Gagnon, and others like him, need to understand that there are consequences, that men need to take responsibility for their speech. Words don't just hurt feelings, they do violence. Ken is not harmless.
 

Re: Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

So, Ken Gagnon's soul is important but women's and children's souls are not? His Livejournal entries don't indicate much concern for the souls of his teacher or Whitney Williams.

Not to say that his soul is not important, but I find it telling that you think ONLY his soul is important.

The proof is in the pudding. Mmmmm...pudding.
 

Don't Cop Out Behind "he was just kidding"

Some things are just not funny. Or, at the very least, they shouldn't be funny. As a society, we have social norms and mores in regards to what is acceptable to joke about and what is not. By and large these days it is unacceptable to make racist jokes, or to make jokes about the Holocaust or other human tragedies. I think making jokes about molesting children would fall into this category, as well as a "joke" about face raping someone.

What kind of sick bastard would even THINK things like that, then actually think it was funny, and then feel the need to write it down and share it with his friends. (and anyone else reading livejournal). The fact that there are those who either a) thought it was funny, or b) "don't see what the big deal is, it was just writing, he wasn't serious" make me concerned about what kind of people they are as well. Anyone who would defend Ken Gagnon is just as guilty as him.

And as far as having "talent", he certainly wasn't using it when he wrote in his livejournal, and if he cared about being able to use his talent in class and out in the community, he should have exercised better judgement. We all have the right to speak freely, but we also must take responsibility for that speech. That is why members of hate groups have been found guilty of inciting violence when their speech results in the injury or death of a member of a group they don't like.

Speech or writing like Gagnon's creates an environment in which violence against women is no big deal; something to be laughed at. When we joke about something we normalize it, make it ok. Violence against women and children should never be okay. It is and should be reprehensible. But Gagnon's statements de-sensitize it for us. When we laugh at something, it is pretty hard to then make an about face and take the same thing dead seriously.

I, for one, think Gagnon deserves everything he gets. Ken Gagnon clearly only cares about Ken Gagnon. He showed no restraint in his writing and doesn't seem to care who he offends. He's not sorry. He's sorry he got caught.
 

On Copping out.

Ken gagnon doesn't NEED to care who he offends. It's his right not to. I'm not saying we should all just say "it's okay, he was just joking." Because it's not okay. It was not nice. But there is no need to label him a rapist to a whole state. "Beware, Ken Gagnon, writer of obscene stuff."
The KKK has a website. The North American Man/Boy Love Association. Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptists also have a website. I believe it's www.godhatesfags.com. These people are threats. Serious threats. But America says that it's okay for them do talk about what they do and what they think. And America says it's okay for Ken Gagnon to make jokes about his penis and the genitalia of others. Maybe it's time that we start focusing on more important things. Like real rape, and real murder, and real harrassment.

I'm sorry if offended you.
Ken has offended lots of people in his journal. It wasn't very friendly of him. But there's no law against being crude. He, very obviously, was not making any real threats and certainly never intended to hurt or rape or kill anyone. They were bad jokes. Disgusting jokes. Offensive jokes.
But jokes.
So...I take back what I said earlier. Come on, guys...Chill out. It's okay.
He was just joking.
 

Re: On Copping out.

There are however laws about sexual harrassment in the workplace/school envirnoment. And guess what falls under those laws: sexual "jokes", and EXPLICITE THREATS, so weather he was joking or he was making explicite threats he was still breaking the rules.
 

Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

I found his journal tasteless but not threatening. I don't condone what he wrote but I find what you did to him by blowing this out of proportion to be more spiteful than justified.
 

Jailed for a speech act

This has got to be a joke comment. No one can be that stupid.
 

sorry I was responding to the "Jail Ken" posts

I must have hit the wrong reply link or something.
 

Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

I find your actions to be just as tasteless as gagnon's words. A bad sense of humor does not deserve such punishment. Perhaps you should've taken your problems to him before taking them to the FBI.
 

Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

He's a sick kid and should be put in jail. I have freshman friends at UNH. God help him if he turns words into actions.
 

wow...

I've known Ken for years, and he's a very reasonable guy. He'd abosolutely NEVER turn his words into actions. I think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion by a few people who are too slow to understand politically and/or morally charged jokes and the thought processes behind them. Ken Gagnon is nowhere NEAR to being a sociopath. Good lord...
 

Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

So what is Ken Gagnon guilty of? Why are the police involved? the FBI even? what is he being charged with? implementation of the First Ammendment?

Look Whitney, in the end, what has been accomplished? A talented journalist is being denied a degree, his name is being smeared (I saw the Faux News report this evening) Have you considered the effect this might have on Ken's family? How about attending a joint counceling meeting with Ken? a little mediation? How about meeting Ken? Sit down and speak with him before sending off these emails. obviously you both have something to say. I have so many thoughts in my head right now I cannot get them all out in text. I'll be back to comment more once my head is cleared some. If you want to respond to this, feel free to contact me at 11am (-at-) mail.com

Regards-
Blake Holt
 

Re: Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

"So what is Ken Gagnon guilty of?"

I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with sexual harassment.
 

what is ken guilty of? i'll give you a hint NOTHING

sexual harrassment is sexually threatening speech.. you assume this is a threat when it is obviously satire. also, it is not as though these comments are directed at a private individual. ken was offensively satirizing the public comments of a public person, an activist and newspaper columnist. whitney generalizes about men in her weekly columns and on ken's read paints all men as rapists.

here's what i think ken was doing in his badly written satire on a livejournal that about a dozen people read before whitney williams got google happy. ken agrees that in general women in the world are oppressed and writes, "I do agree that women don't have it the way they probably should" but ken thinks whitney is exaggerating campus problems among others at the expense of the real problem s. he reads whitneys responses to letters like these and realizes that whitney would respond by saying that ken is just writing from a position of privilege and just defending the patriarchy like she said of other letter writers who criticized whitney's columns. but ken doesn't see himself as a rapist or asdefending the patriarchy.

anticipating whitney's response, ken wrote that stupid satire thing to his friends to say "your right, whitney, though i think women in general are oppressed i must be a a rapist defending my male power because i disagree with you. but i am also not a woman hater, so it isn't hating women that motivates me being a rapist, as you say i am. instead, it's a personal thing between you and me that makes me a rapist, and not me and women in general." it was a stupid thing to write , but it wasn't a threat. his whole livejournal is filled with a bunch of stupid sarcastic comments, but they aren't rape and murder threats.
 
Reply: It's not threatening if it is done with irony / 06 May 2005

The onus of responsibility is on Ken

Maybe KEN should have thought about his family before he wrote disgusting and threatening entries that are open for anyone with access to the internet to see. Why is the onus always put on the victim? Whitney Williams has no responsibility towards Ken's family or Ken. She doesn't owe them anything. Ken Gagnon is the one who should feel sorry for anything his family is going through.

And furthermore, maybe a more important question to ask is: Doesn't it deeply disturb Ken Gagnon's family that they raised someone who would think and write such misogynistic garbage?
 

Talent?

"Look Whitney, in the end, what has been accomplished? A talented journalist is being denied a degree"

A "talented" journalist? Are you fucking kidding me?

Posting dick jokes and rape fantasies (OH MY GOD BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY VIOLENT EVEN THOUGH I NAME NAMES) on a LiveJournal is not a "talent."
 

His livejournal is not the journalism cited

While Livejournal contains the word "journal" in it, like "journalism" the two are not related. Livejournal is like an online diary and works of journalism are not private like a diary. Ken Gagnon is a journalism student and he wrote for some UNH student publications. They are referring to his journalist publications there.
 

Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

I have known ken for at least 6 years now and he is probably the most nonviolent being I know. Just because some woman got offended by his blatant sarcasm (if you even read his entire journal or just skimmed to see what you wanted to) he is being racked over the fires. Has he ever even in the slightest had any violent actions or anything towards the said individuals? NO! It is just Miss Whitney crying and trying to become the victim and by doing so is hindering the whole movement she is trying to do by showing herself to be a whiney brat crying over split milk, and thus discrediting herself. Why don’t we do something about actual crimes against women and not some 20 year old venting in his own private journal of random shit to vent and have his own form of ‘comedia de arte.’ Did he ever go around campus going “HEY READ THIS JOURNAL” forcing it on to other people? His journalism had nothing to do with what was in his blog. Hell I write huge research papers for college but I also write on the men’s stalls. Does this mean I should have a paper I wrote become void because I wrote something on a bathroom wall?
I remember reading about a feminist activity on the UNH campus of many women caring scissors threatening to cut off male genitalia. Now take Kens private online blog with no motivation to do any of the sarcastic remarks he made, to a bunch of women actually threatening men to their faces. I think we have the wrong person on the roasting stick ladies and gentlemen. If I was Ken and had to deal with the man hating radical threats of physical abuse I would have a few choice words to say about those individuals as well. I believe Miss Whitney and her big self righteous bubble needs a good popping because it appears to me people don’t hate her for being a feminist, they hate her because she is a horrible spoiled kid without a brain.
-kamui
 

Re: Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

Once again, ad hominem wins the day! Thanks for lowering the quality of conversation here, kamui.
 

Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

How was there any quality to begin with for this topic, seriously? This whole thing is so out of proportion it just goes to show what is wrong with a lot of things in this country and its people. It is just down right silly. And of course bringing Whitney’s character into the cross fire would be done; it has already been done to Ken. If you break down just because your motives are being questioned from a little comment and get upset by it no wonder this whole fiasco happened in the first place. Oh and by the way Ad Hominem is used when trying to discredit the person only and make the claim they made false by showing their beliefs, and not the issue at hand. I went over the issue and defended it then moved on to her. Learn to read and stop being the victims.
 
Reply: Attention: You Are Wrong. / 04 May 2005
Reply: commander 0 youre not being very logical either / 04 May 2005
Reply: fear my, uh, fearsome logic! / 10 May 2005
Reply: Re: Attention: You Are Wrong. / 04 May 2005

get your facts straight

"I remember reading about a feminist activity on the UNH campus of many women caring scissors threatening to cut off male genitalia."

"If I was Ken and had to deal with the man hating radical threats of physical abuse I would have a few choice words to say about those individuals as well."

The activity you are referring to, is the now infamous Patriarchy Slam in which women wore scissors around their necks which they used to pop balloons which spelled out the word PATRIARCHY. They were worn and used as a SYMBOL. No threats were ever made towards anybody, and most certainly no threats were launched at individuals. "Man hating feminists" didn't give a shit about Ken Gagnon until we realized that he has been making threats against people, so Ken was not "dealing" with threats of physical abuse anymore than anyone else was. He may be angered by some feminists on campus, but he does not have the right to threaten them.
 

This has got to be a joke comment. No one can be that stupid.

But he was just being sarcastic!

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B-b-but they were just jokes!

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B-b-b-but don't you know he has a soul?!
 

re: This has got to be a joke comment. No one can be that stupid.

So Ken deserves to go to prison for something he said? THat was the point of my other comment. You ridiculed it so you probably think he does.
 

Re: re: This has got to be a joke comment. No one can be that stupid.

Yes, Ken deserves to be put in pris-- No wait, no, I never actually said that.

You probably think he looks like a cherub with little wing-a-lings on his back because YOU ridiculed MY post. Yes, that must be it!
 
Reply: stfu / 07 May 2005
Reply: wtf / 10 May 2005

Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

stupid compy, why did it add that 3 times...... ahhh well silly internet
-kamui
 

is this the onion news?

At most, fine him for this, but come on people you're being ridiculous. This kid has no intention to act on these thoughts. People say things like this in movies and it's no problem. Faux news needs to go back to covering horrible speech again such as anything from their beloved dubya. Ken has made fun of me before in his journal, I found it humorous and honest.
 

Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

Check the dates on these. They go back to 2003. In the space of time between the earliest entry and now, has KG raped or assaulted anyone? No. I've met Ken, and I've met all the people he mentions in the June 12 entry. I'm 100% certain he never will, and never would try to rape them. Out of mildest curiousity, did you even confront him before you decided to ruin his good name? Yes, what he did was stupid and these are somewhat disgusting entries, but he's not dangerous and doesn't warrant involvement with the police.
Incidentally, how can saying "he was just kidding" be a cop out? It's the truth. He was joking. He's not a stalker or a rapist or a pedophile. So nice work. You just destroyed an aspiring writer's career because you're so paranoid all men are out to crush women's rights. Congratulations.
 

Re: Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

Hear, hear!

I agree with this one.
 

Hey, that's great that YOU know Ken personally

and YOU can attest to his fine character and all around loveliness. But for those of us who don't know he's such a sweetie in person, this journal, where he mentions raping a feminist activist in the face, is disturbing.
 

You are on the losing end of this argument. Here's why...

Let's take some of these arguments:

1. Gagnon is not going to act on his threats.

Prove it. Go ahead, prove it. Just because you know someone and they appear a lot like Gandhi to you, doesn't mean either jack or shit. "Good guys" are the problem. Why is it that acquaintances account for such a large number of rapes, hmm? Maybe it's because it's the people you don't expect, not some creepy stranger lurking in the dark. The fact that you met him once, or hang out with him all the time, is entirely unconvincing to me. After they catch serial killers, it's the neighbors that always say, "He seemed like such a nice guy." This doesn't mean that Gagnon necessary has raped anyone, but it does mean that he harbors violent, rape fantasies. And you can't deny it, because he fucking wrote it, okay?

2. Gagnon's good name has been ruined.

Gagnon's good name was ruined by Gagnon. If he didn't want people to read the most vile, misogynist shit he could come up with, he shouldn't have posted it to a public forum. But he did, because he wanted people to read it, yes? And it is a public forum, because it's called LIVEjournal, not PLEASENOONEREADTHISjournal. Those already exist, they're called regular journals. And you act all shocked when his shit comes to light and people want nothing to do him, in their classes and at their jobs? It evidently didn't take much "digging."

3. Gagnon shouldn't be investigated by the police.

Well, I'll tell ya', I'm an anarchist, so I think the police do more harm than good in this world. Nonetheless, Williams has received a death threat. Might we think it worthwhile to see if the man that claimed he wanted to rape her face knows something about it? It doesn't seem too outside the realm of fucking possibility, you know.

4. They were just jokes, they aren't real harassment.

The fact that you find them funny does not magically make them non-threatening or not part of a violent culture towards women. People laugh at racist, homophobic, or anti-semitic jokes, and that doesn't stop them from being hate speech. He might have had the best fucking intentions in the world, but it's not about intention, it's about impact.

And what does harassment mean anyway, if this isn't it? Telling the world that you want to rape women, and naming specific individuals, is harassment. Go ahead, come up with a definition of harassment in which Gagnon's comments fall outside it. You won't because you can't.

Ken Gagnon deserves every sanction he gets. The UNH community does not need to tolerate him, because he creates a hostile work and learning environment.
 

It doesn't take long...

Humans in general blind themselves. Consider how fast American culture has changed in the past 100 years. If men can go from feeling embarrassed about cursing in front of women to feeling comfortable posting live discussion boards with threatening vulgarity, how long will it take for men (even "nice" men) to feel comfortable raping people? There are already thousands of men that actually think that rape is acceptable and act on it. Words are the vehicle to actions. If there is any chance that this man could cause harm to anyone (whether female, male, adult, child etc.)then he should be stopped. he can write jounalism articles from his jail cell. though i doubt that after reading this discussion board, any magazine would want his articles. he ruined his life but it is his fault.
 

Re: It doesn't take long...

Yes!
So let's hunt down and jail every single person who makes dead baby jokes, or those Helen Keller jokes, while we're at it. It's like McCarthyism, only instead of getting all the communists, we're getting all of the satirists!
"Do you sympathize with the satirist party?"

If we jail them all, there would be a dramatic decrease in jail rapes, at least, because instead of jailing all the REAL rapists, we'd have a bunch of comedians filling the cells. There SHOULD be more people like Ken Gagnon in jail! It would make doing your time a hell of a lot nicer.

This is all bullshit. Go address some real problems.

-- belle
 

so you have never said or written anything ironical/satirical/comical?

i suppose you think that jonathan swift was threatening to eat the catholic babies in "a modest proposal" can you prove that he didn't want to taste the sweet flesh of catholic baby? like someone else wrote in this thread, i suppose you honestly think when ken sees a beautiful woman he flies into the air like the rocketeer from the force of his ejaculation? here's a hint: when people are intending to be comical, you shouldn't take their comments at face value.
 

Together at last...

Jonathan Swift

It is a melancholy object to those who walk through this great town or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads, and cabin doors, crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags and importuning every passenger for an alms...I think it is agreed by all parties that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom a very great additional grievance; and, therefore, whoever could find out a fair, cheap, and easy method of making these children sound, useful members of the commonwealth, would deserve so well of the public as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation.

...I shall now therefore humbly propose my own thoughts, which I hope will not be liable to the least objection.

I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout.

I do therefore humbly offer it to public consideration that of the hundred and twenty thousand children already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one-fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle or swine; and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at a year old, be offered in the sale to the persons of quality and fortune through the kingdom; always advising the mother to let them suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump and fat for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends; and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.

Ken Gagnon: a Swift for our time

Ken: Okay, kids, now let's go over the material one more time. Now, Tommy, what's the safest form of sex?

Tommy: Anal?

Ken: *rubs eyes* For the millionth time, Tommy, no. You're close, but the rest of the class could probably tell you that it's not really safe until you pull out at the last second and bust your load of man-juice on that bitch's face, now couldn't they?

Tommy: I'm sorry, Mr. Gagnon.

Ken: If you were really sorry, Tommy, you'd be having more anonymous unprotected anal sex.

Tommy: Please stop touching me, Mr. Gagnon.




...the kings of satire.

 

Re: so you have never said or written anything ironical/satirical/comical?

Rape is an epidemic in our socieity. Eating children is not.
 

really now.

1. Gagnon is not going to act on his threats.

I apologize for my ignorance. I'm 100% certain that Gagnon is actually going to stick his penis in someone's eye. C'mon, you can't be serious. Look at how ridiculous this guy's stuff is. Besides, you're right. We can't be sure he won't act on his "threats". But then, we're not sure that the moon won't suddenly shatter into a million spheroids and hurtle towards the Earth spontaneously. All I'm saying is, the contingency is a remote one and you need more evidence than a weblog to call the police.

2. Gagnon's good name was ruined (or as you say, was ruined by Gagnon)
The Livejournal is in a public forum, yes. The Internet. The place where everyone in the world is going to search for "Ken Gagnon's livejournal" on google. Seriously though, if someone had just stumbled across this journal (aside from Whitney Williams) they probably would have been no more disturbed than if they'd accidentally stumbled on an episode of "South Park". It's Williams' insistence that she is being stalked and her screaming of bloody murder that's ruining Gagnon's name. She called the friggin' "local and regional media" over this. Now the man's face is being plastered over news broadcasts, quotes are taken out of context, and now the name "Ken Gagnon" is synonomous with "crazy boogyman rapist who steals your children, the bad man".
3. Gagnon shouldn't be investigated by police.
This is one point I actually will fold on. If Williams wants the police to check him out because she feels threatened, she does have that right. But that's the extent to which the trouble should go. He shouldn't be prosecuted because there's no evidence, and he shouldn't be fired from his job for the same reason.
4. They were just jokes.
You can blather on all you like about chauvenism. The fact remains that they were just jokes, and there is simply no better way to argue this point. Oh and incidentally, I don't find all of it funny. But the fact remains.
As for them being part of an anti-women conspiracy, that is complete and utter bullcrap. He says distinctly that he doesn't hate women and he thinks they don't always have it the way they should. In the meantime, it seems everryone still rails on him for having a rather common male malady called "liking women".

In the end, if Gagnon is getting a such crap for writing material that Jack Black, George Carlin, the "South Park" writers, and the Wayan brothers are making large amounts of money from, then we might as well repeal the 1st amendment right now.
 

Re: really now

If we are going to chalk Ken's writing up to "liking women" then I think we really need to define the word "like". Most men I know like women, and they do not have the same thoughts about them that Ken has expressed in his writing. Normally when you like someone or a group of people, you show respect towards them. Ken's writing about women is anything but respectful. He treats them as objects for his own sexual pleasure. Unless, of course, there is another definition of "like" that I don't know about because I am too "slow" to understand the deeper politically and morally charged meanings behind his writing.
 
Reply: Re: Re: really now / 09 May 2005

really? now?

You equate the likelihood of Ken raping someone with that of the moon shattering in a thousand, nay, a million pieces. It seems to me that writing about raping someone makes you more likely to be interested in actually raping someone than that. I really don't think this is unreasonable. Again, I can't be sure he has or will, but for women to fear that he might after he wrote such awful things doesn't strike me as coming out of left field at all. And that's what makes it a threat.

You say, "you need more evidence than a weblog to call the police." And then, "If Williams wants the police to check him out because she feels threatened, she does have that right." You'll have to forgive me for pointing out your glaring contradiction here, but you'll need to come up with a coherent position. That's how this whole arguing thing works.

Still, you say that he should be allowed to remain at his job, but the university has a responsibility to create a work environment which isn't hostile to women. Even if we know for sure that Ken is not going to act on his threats, and I don't think this is the case, his writing does constitute the creation of a hostile work environment for Williams, a TNH co-worker. She should be able to work for a student newspaper without having to be amongst people that publicly post fantasies about raping her face. The fact that I have to write that makes me sorta sad and a whole lotta angry.

The difference between misogyny in South Park (or any other show) is that they're not mentioning the specific people that Ken Gagnon did. I don't know, I don't watch South Park all that much, so I might be missing the episode where they mention some random college student in New Hampshire. In this case, please enlighten me, but somehow I don't think you will. (Not that these shows don't necessarily contribute in their own way to a misogynistic culture in general.)

Regarding your defense of "jokes" about rape, you have failed to show how things people find funny aren't contributing to a misogynist culture or to the fears of specific women. Again, people make racist and anti-semitic jokes all the time still, but the fact that people find them funny doesn't change their effect on people of color and jews. How many people need to laugh at what Ken Gagnon wrote to off-set the amount of fear that a student or professor feels at having to face this person the next day?

Look, the first amendment doesn't mean that you get to say whatever you want without consequences. Ken Gagnon posted whatever he wanted, and then a community of people (Williams and the people defending her, those condemning Gagnon, his co-workers, other students, local and national news media) took an interest in his speech and said rather collectively, "that shit's fucked up, yo." It's not like the first amendment trumps all other concerns, like creating communities where people don't live in fear of violence. Shocking! There are consequences to speech! People condemn stuff!
 

Re: You are on the losing end of this argument. Here's why...

Incidentally, that last comment was in reply to the post labelled "you are on the losing end of this argument. Here's why." Just in case anyone was confused.
 

Anne Lawing and "Kill All Humans"

So, there was an article in Fosters talking about Ken being in "Kill All Humans", a facebook group. It was later explained (www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article) that it was based on a "cheesy zombie poster" that Ken had- a sort of inside joke between friends.

This is somewhat funny, but Anne Lawing, VP of Student Affairs (I think) who is certainly not a fan of Ken, is a member of the group- #file_1#

Now, um....why is she there? Sorta funny, if you ask me.
 

Kill All Humans

Here it is. Sorry. #file_1#
 

Argh

Argh.
Click on image for a larger version

annelawing.jpg
 

Wow. Anne has only one friend...

and it's that fucking tool Charlie Knuth. He probably found the page for her.

Figures her only friend would be a fratboy.
 

Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

the stronger the call for political correctnes, the stronger the backlash. If someone feels threatened... If you felt threatened by what Ken said in the Main St. Magazine's Sex Survey, then talk to him instead of crying to the admin. Isn't this how it all started? If only we could put our energy into useful battles...
 

Thank you for that informed opinion

I appreciate your comment that this situation is the result of PC madness brought on by Ken making a single joke in the Main Street Magazine Sex Survey. I particularly appreciate the comment when I consider that reading the above article before commenting on it is a hard thing to do and paying attention to the discussion is even harder.

There is an acronym I would like you to look up. It serves as a general rule for what you should do before commenting in discussion forums on articles like this one. That acronym is RTFA. Since Google is also hard, I have already done the searching for you.

 

Um

Ken didn't make a joke in the Main Street Magazine sex survey. He had nothing to do with that survey or that magazine.
 
Reply: And thank you for responding to me / 06 May 2005

Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

This journal has been going on for two years now. It was never a problem before, Never Considered a threat. People have live happily for these years, some of them reading the journal some not. Someone commenting on this journal is like someone jumping in on the middle of a conversation. You don't nderstand what's going on, and anything you say will probably be wrong, and you're making life so much more of a hassle for the people involved because you're a nosy ass.
 

Security at Dining's Cinco de Mayo

A large police and security presence was visible at Dining Service's "Cinco de Mayo" dinner outdoors. Though there is a great risk of students stealing taco hamburger meat, it looks like the security was a tribute to Ken's writing. The event went without a hitch and not a single Dining worker in a sombrero was raped, killed, or skullfucked by Ken.
 

ha. ha. ha.

It seems you have learned your adeptness at sarcasm from none other than the modern day Swift himself, Ken Gagnon. Does he run workshops? Please let me know where I can sign up.
 

Oh, burn!

So I take it you don't find it the least bit ridiculous that our cash strapped school spent money defending the Taco stands from THE BEAST known as Ken?
 
Reply: Re: Oh, burn! / 05 May 2005
Reply: It was more than a checkpoint / 05 May 2005
Reply: have you been paying attention to the goings on lately? / 06 May 2005
Reply: re: have you been paying attention in general? / 06 May 2005
Reply: You know what's bullshit? / 07 May 2005
Reply: Why would they care about actual security? / 07 May 2005
Reply: One more thing: They can get rid of Ken / 07 May 2005

Ken has got to be stopped before he kills the undead

For those of you who don't think the university is over reacting consider this:

The school blocked from eating at dining halls because his journal described killing zombies in Holloway Commons. Apparently the university is concerned that Ken might go after some of the UNDEAD, BRAIN EATING MEMBERS OF THE STUDENT BODY.
 

Ken Gagnon is the victim of a PC witchhunt

I have to say, as a longtime friend of Ken Gagnon and a student at UNH who has watched the whole furor develop from small-town personality clashes into media witchhunt, I think the whole thing was poorly handled from the beginning. Ken's journal was written as comedy. Admittedly, low-brow sophomoric humor, but nothing worse than what George Carlin is paid to say. The woman who denounced Ken to the authorities had been making rabidly anti-male statements in the school paper all semester. She had had her information removed from the UNH student directory, but then thought it appropriate to look up Ken in Facebook (since he had criticised her comments to the effect that the only good male was one who had been castrated) and then follow the link to his livejournal. She did not (to my knowledge) send Ken any email to the effect that she found his journal offensive or offer him the chance to apologize or take it offline; rather, she immediately reported him to the UNH police, Dean's office, and FBI. He never had a chance. I've known him for over 6 years, and if I ever thought he was actually seriously planning rape and murder, I would have called the police myself. The whole thing has been blown out of proportion entirely. His only "crime" was not making the livejournal friends-only.
 

Simpler explanations are best

Rather than impute malicious intent and chalk this up to a "OMG PC Librul Conspiracy" sparked by Ken disagreeing with Whitney, put yourself in Whitney's situation and try to consider, from her perspective, what the best course of action is.

You
a.) receive anonymous threats

b.) get scared and try to counter those threats by taking safety measures such as having your information removed from the student directory, etc.

c.) you start surfing around the internet to see what people are saying about you so as to get a handle on this scary situation

d.) you find a livejournal that mentions raping you in the face

e.) you don't know anything about the author. You don't know that he is the nicest kid that everyone just loves to death, etc. etc. You have almost no knowledge of this guy, and certainly not enough knowledge to judge that he is just a joker and not a threat.

All you know is that this kid wrote to his buddies about raping your face. Why would you contact this kid? Why would you let the threatener know prior to letting the people who can protect you know?

f.) You contact the authorities. But you worry the authorities might not be taking this seriously enough and that there's still a danger to you. Still scared, you go public once the authorities know in order to make sure that there's community pressure to protect you.
 

Re: Simpler explanations are best

AMEN!
 

Bullshit.

There is no way you can seriously think this is how someone who is scared acts. When you're scared that you're going to be raped (even if that fear's inspired by a seven month old threat), you go to the goddamn police. That's their job. You don't sit down and go through five years and two hundred odd pages of livejournal shit, copying and pasting the worst bits you can find. Those are the actions of someone who's found a scapegoat for their cause, not someone who fears for their safety.
 
Reply: ah, she did go to the police / 08 May 2005
Reply: she acted intelligently / 09 May 2005
Reply: Re: ah, she did go to the police / 12 May 2005

another forgery

(1.) My name isn’t nessie.

(2.) But that has nothing to do with whether I can prove it. I can’t prove it. So what? That, doesn’t mean it’s not true. Personally, I don’t care whether you believe me or not. If you don’t believe me, then you’re not who I’m talking to. I’m talking people smart enough to know that when something that is inconsistent with the bulk of my writing comes signed with my name, it’s a forgery. Anybody who’s not smart enough to grasp that, wouldn’t understand what I was saying, anyway.

(3.) Besides, who it was that wrote something is irrelevant. Only content counts. If it’s true, it doesn’t matter who says it, or why. The truth is the truth, period.

(4.) Later, when you encounter something with my name on it, posted somewhere else on the internet, consider that it may be a forgery. If it is consistent with what you know I have actually written, then I wrote it. If it is not consistent, then it’s a forgery. If you can’t tell the difference, you’re too stupid to understand what I’m saying, anyway, so don’t waste time trying.

*snip*

It's not about the writing. It's about the name.

*snip*

But remember, if only the content counts, and if it's true, and if it doesn't matter who says it or why, then is it really a forgery? Educate yourself. Start today.

*snip*

My signature can only be trusted here:

sf.indymedia.org/

here:

www.transbay.net/~nessie/

and most of here:

www.sfbg.com/nessie/
 

Re: another forgery

(Score:-1, Offtopic)
 

"My name isn’t nessie."

Indeed it is not. For more about forgeries on Indymedia, see:

www.sfimc.net/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php

(snip)

Sometimes they take something that an anti-Zionist has written, subtly alter its meaning by changing a few words, and post it under the name of the original author.

(snip)
 

Re: "My name isn’t nessie."

(Score:-1, Still Offtopic)
 

Whitney Williams, Instigator.

Clearly Whitney Williams is a feminazi, and has inspired other UNH pink triangle socialists (even faculty) to advocate imprisonment and the elimination of free speech.

She even ran to IMC to tar him. She calls NH IMC the UNH Community.

Well THIS UNH alumnus is also a member of the UNH Community. I paid $19,000 to be one. I officially set up a soapbox for people who are to big for UNH. If Ken wants to send me a column to my magazine in Boston, he is welcome. Assuming he doesn't ultimately rape his opponent, then I empathize. I was once too big for UNH too, and am now too big for Boston. They even say so. A poison pen letter was sent here about me once.

signed,
Flipside
www.contextflexed.com
 

It's published on NHIMC but addressed to the UNH community

Imagine you submit an open letter to The Boston Globe editorial section addressed to the people of Boston. The Boston Globe is not whom the letter is intended for, the Globe just publishes it. In the same way, NHIMC is where Whitney Williams' open letter is published though it is addressed to the UNH community.

As for the rest of your comment: grow up, Flipside. I don't agree with much of what I've read from Williams, but I can't agree with calling her a "feminazi" and a "pink-triangle socialist."

Your comment was asinine. I tried to find an argument in your post, but all I found was name calling. Name calling can't be substituted for arguments. So leave the name calling on the schoolyard the next time you want to join the big kids in rational discourse.
 

Who's the instigator?

The only one around here I see instigating is you. You have nothing important or meaningful to say, and as moononite 11 said, no argument in your comment. Don't come to a website where we attempt to have legitimate discussions to throw your pejorative excrement around and then use it as a forum to promote your magazine.
 

Re: UNH Student Threatens Faculty, Students, and Children with Sexual Violence

Are you saying there is some kind of etiquette that I am supposed to be using when ridiculing the position of an uppity female chauvinist? I don't think there is. I don't think she gets to be hysterical, while the rest of us have to put on professorial glasses and act objective. Besides, the Moononites are on record as being libertarian communists. Why would anyone so insane as that propose that we have a rational discussion. Treating such ideas rationally is the last amount of credit they deserve.

Furthermore, tell the twin brother head you have growing out of your shoulder that it is not legitimate discussion to use the internet to amplify a harassment campaign against a UNH student, regardless if it is backed by a tiny number of other UNH students. Stop pretending you are journalists and theorists when you are punks adding to a front merely because UNH is a boring place. You can't con me.

Flipside
UNH Class of 1995

Who's the instigator?
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11 May 2005
by garden gnome
Reply to this comment
The only one around here I see instigating is you. You have nothing important or meaningful to say, and as moononite 11 said, no argument in your comment. Don't come to a website where we attempt to have legitimate discussions to throw your pejorative excrement around and then use it as a forum to promote your magazine.
 

No one is forcing you to construct your comments rationally

NHIMC is an open forum. Post whatever you want. You just have to use rational judgment insofar as you want to keep from sounding irrational or asinine, (as in the above comment.)

You dislike Williams because you think she is hysterical and irrational. You write: I don't think she gets to be hysterical, while the rest of us have to put on professorial glasses and act objective. Again, you don't have to use rational judgment when constructing your comments. But if you fail to use rational judgment, don't expect me to take your comments on the irrationailty of others seriously.

To address your less (if at all) relevant comments: this Moononite is on the record for being a libertarian capitalist not a "libertarian communist." NHIMC, to the best of my knowledge, has not formally affiliated itself with any political philosophy, except for vaguely employing the term "democratic" to describe their activities. So try harder next time not to stereotype your audience.

Also, you can continue to flame away at me as to the quality of the site. I won't feel the burns. I am not a member of the group that runs NHIMC. I am a someone who frequently enjoys flaming on this site, much like yourself (though unlike you, I do not try to use the site to promote any of my ventures.) And since the flames are flying, on the issue of pretending at journalism, you speak confidently for a guy who makes frequent use of the marquee in his online magazine.

 

Reality Check

Like all good things my response vanished. However here are the cliff notes:

It is rather absurd for a group which is on record for being libertarian communists to appeal that we have "legitimate discussion." One does not grant legitimate (e.g. groupthought) status to ultraleftist wackos. One merely ridicules them.

One also does not return hysteria and rabid man hating with bespectacled objectivist critiques. To do so would be to allow one psychopath all the fun and deny it to ourselves. But what reasoning other than weakness of ethos do you claim I should handicap myself in this way?

Finally, all interested parties are throwing excrement and self-promoting. That includes Whitney Williams who began this and spread it to IMC, it includes the siamese twins from Moononite, who are flaming themselves into view, and it includes myself. Of the three clearly I am the best organized, since I own a publication.

You are kidding no one. UNH is boring and smells like cow feces on off days. For this reason you engage in such buffoonery. There is no social issue at stake.

Flipside
Class of 1995
 

The original point

Okay, I am beginning to like you. I don't expect that you care so I will be brief. Your writing about the arctic drilling was amusing, so as as a kindness I will not allow myself to be distracted into flaming anyone other than strident Whitney Williams supporters. I thought I read something by you where you said you prefer libertarian socialism to libertarian capitalism.

To clarify: to be taken seriously by people I do not know ranks exceedingly low on my list of priorities. Consequently, I only ever "play" the rational objectivist. (As you have done.) While I respect this talent, I seldom bother to display it.

My original point was, and I restate: Whitney Williams considers herself a Radical Feminist, and while being a member of an unrecognized student organization would appear to be reckless, defiant and revolutionary, the situation reduces to a girl with a big mouth who believes herself ugly, and vents her anger by creating hypes which in her mind, she hopes will lead to mass castrations.
 

plsdiekthnx

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We're runnin' alright.
 

Anyone hear what happened to Ken?

Did the school just let this issue RIP?
 

PLEASE DON'T LET THIS STORY DIE!

Please keep commenting on this story! Don't let it die! Please give your take on Kenneth Gagnon's blog because it is SO @$&#^$%@*& IMPORTANT DAMN IT! I mean, the fact that NO ONE HAS COMMENTED AT ALL on the arrests involving the sit in at Sentator Judd Gregg's office is due to the fact that THAT STORY IS FREAKING BORING! The horrible actions of Senator Judd Gregg (The war in Iraq, that Bankruptcy Bill, his proposal to force public subsidies for private schools) are NOTHING compared to the actions of Ken Gagnon! WHERE'S THE KEN GAGNON SIT IN?

94 comments on this page! There should be like, I dunno, a bajillion million fafillion! I mean, THAT'S NOT EVEN A NUMBER, DAMN IT! I'M ANGRY!
 

Re: PLEASE DON'T LET THIS STORY DIE!

Look, I get your point. Bear in mind, though, that the reason this article ballooned into the shit show it became is because Ken's cult following managed to find the story, start flapping their wings, and generally make a mess around here.

If you want more comments on stories, it seems, get a bunch of right-wingers to start defending Senator Gregg. No doubt that'll get things going.
 

So close, but so far

It almost made it to 100 comments, but it looks like it will fail just shy of that. Alas, what can we mere mortals do against the will of the comment fates?
 
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