How was there any quality to begin with for this topic, seriously? This whole thing is so out of proportion it just goes to show what is wrong with a lot of things in this country and its people. It is just down right silly. And of course bringing Whitney’s character into the cross fire would be done; it has already been done to Ken. If you break down just because your motives are being questioned from a little comment and get upset by it no wonder this whole fiasco happened in the first place. Oh and by the way Ad Hominem is used when trying to discredit the person only and make the claim they made false by showing their beliefs, and not the issue at hand. I went over the issue and defended it then moved on to her. Learn to read and stop being the victims.

Then what is this, tubbington?

"...they hate her because she is a horrible spoiled kid without a brain."

Yes, yes, I'm sure that's why people hate her. Actually, no wait, you're wrong. Let's have a little lesson, shall we?

An ad hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
3. Therefore A's claim is false.

Just to make things painfully clear to you, I'll fill in the blanks.

1. Ms. Williams claims Ken's threats in his livejournal constitute violence against women.
2. Kamui says that Ms. Williams is a spoiled brat without a brain.
3. Therefore, Ken's threats do not constitute violence against women.

No, no, no. Please see me after class.

you condemned ken because of what he wrote in his livejournal. you are making judgments about a person you don't know based on some pieces he wrote. you have to consider his motivations in order to judge what he wrote.. these people are telling you that ken intended to be funny and he is not a rapist. you are responding, "no your wrong about his motivations because he is a making threats." you say he's making threats because you judge that his motives are bad. you keep begging the question on this, and you ignore what people are saying. you assume ken's motives without any knowledge. then you dismissed kensui for doing the exact same thing to whitney williams as you are doing to ken!!

could you also calm down the sarcasm and ridicule in your "logical" argument like the angel pictures, wtf?

Do you even read anything, seriously. Do you only see what you want to and quote it to twist it around without context. Do you even understand how fallacy is used? The comment above had nothing to do with kens issues of actually getting into trouble (if it did then it would be ad hominem) you just plucked it out like Whitney did to get ken in trouble. See this keeps on happening over and over again. What i was showing is why ken would write these things in the first place in a joking manner (even though a poor choice on his behalf to) because what these people have done is so ridiculous and blind sighted that no wonder she has gotten threats. Ad hominem would be saying something against Miss Williams claim on the threat from his journal. Such as she was drunk when she read it so the issue is null and void.


how is this even a conclusion?
"1. Ms. Williams claims Ken's threats in his livejournal constitute violence against women.
2. Kamui says that Ms. Williams is a spoiled brat without a brain.
3. Therefore, Ken's threats do not constitute violence against women. "
Does anyone else see the loose or nonexistent connection? You gave me the text book answer for ad hominem but it still seems you can only read words and not take what they are actually saying. So don’t argue something that doesn’t need to be argued over. I’ll forgive your misinterpretations and move on.
-kamui